[occupyaustin-it] Which Boyd Carter do we believe?

Tue Nov 29 05:03:44 CST 2011

If you've got me quoted (I'd like to see it) saying that
occupyradioaustin.org and occupyradio.fm are separate, unrelated projects,
you must have misunderstood me saying that both occupyradio projects have
always been independent of occupy austin.

I'm on the national inter-occ record stating that occupyradioaustin.org was
the beta test for occupyradio.fm .  We chose occupyradioaustin.org instead
of occupyradio.org for the beta because some shmuck in California camped the
domain name only to later abandon it.  *That* guy was the worst. activist.
evar.  The "austin" part of it means that we are *in austin*.  It was our
great misfortune that some of us actually wanted to do both national and
local occupy austin work, which is apparently unforgiveable.

I know this because I've been the lead engineer working with live365 on both
occupyradioaustin.org and occupyradio.fm.  You have actually made us regret
putting links to occupy austin on our website in solidarity.  How is this
possible?  In spite of all of your vitriol, we always have and still
encourage people to visit occupyaustin.org on the occupyradioaustin.org
website and to donate in any way they can.  Please explain to me how this
syncs up with your bullshit narrative of me telling people not to donate to
occupyaustin.org.  Please.  I'm serious.  Occupyradioaustin.org and
occupyradio.fm has *always* made occupy austin look good despite our
independence.  Occupy austin, on the other hand, has done nothing but create
problems for us.

For the last damn time, I have worked on projects of local, regional and
national scope for the movement.. all at the same time (gasp!).  Which is
why I asked the software company to donate their *software* to projects of
every scope I was working on in the already public web-form request you
"busted" me on.  

The only thing that has stopped for me is the local work, largely because of
people like you who seek to "protect" the good name of occupy austin by
continually dragging it through the mud.

For the last damn time, there is no profit motive.  We are open docs and
open books.  I don't know how else to make it any simpler for you to
comprehend.   I know it's hard for you since you are already committed to
this narrative of yourself as bastion against all that is evil in the world
for all occupiers.  Please find a hobby that doesn't involve interfering
with people who actually work and build things for the movement.

For the last damn time, everything we do is transparent and free/libre/open
source.  I have repeatedly presented our work in open meetings locally and
nationally and called for anyone to help and to review our work.  Engineers
and media people from all walks and locations have offered and given
support.  You are indicting all of us.

None of what you've said about us matches what we've actually done.  You
protect yourself from baseless claims of defamation with the truth, which
isn't on your side.  Instead, you dig in deeper and keep troll-tossing
flaming buckets of crap everywhere.  Pete is a free individual, free to do
whatever the hell he wants.  That's why I love this country.

I am a bit more forgiving, but I am in the internet security business.  My
patience is running thin.  My livelihood depends on me telling the truth and
people believing it.  I perform work that requires *millions* in coverage
for professional liability insurance, 30-man deep 2-day engineering review
boards and a lawyer on retainer.  You keep calling me a liar and a profiteer
in public forums and you are going to be in court for a long, long time.  I
suggest that if you have any more questions for me, you call me directly and
sort it out before launching accusations in an email.  I will help you find
the truth and make it known.  It's in my own best interest.

Lastly, *someone* has broken into those email accounts and you *still* won't
repudiate it.  Here's your chance.

From: Brian Overman [mailto:mail at brianoverman.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 3:14 AM
To: Boyd Carter
Cc: occupyaustin-it at foojutsu.org; it at occupyaustin.org;
infoscribes at occupyaustin.org
Subject: Re: Which Boyd Carter do we believe?

First off, you never addressed the question at all. These two statements you
make are completely polar opposite one another. They are in direct
contradiction. And yet you don't bother addressing that....at all. So it
takes you a whole page to answer an email about two lines. And you don't
even address the issue in that whole page of useless text.

Step two...I have no access to anything on the website. Or any emails.
Anywhere. I have never logged into anything. Ever. So your delusion that I
am invading someone's privacy may continue in your mind, but I honestly
wouldn't even know HOW to login to an account. My "occupyaustin.org" emails
are outgoing through my personal SMTP with a "reply-to" alias and apparently
the replies forward back to my personal address.. This email I pulled your
quote from was distributed today to a variety of inboxes to try to shed some
transparency on what you have been doing. So keep your accusations to
yourself. Otherwise...that's called defamation. Also grounds for a lawsuit.
Which I have no interest in pursuing against you, because I understand you
are just looking for some reason to make me look bad.

Step three...I have never asked to get my hands on money. I think what you
work on should be open source and for the betterment of the occupation. The
statement makes no sense except maybe your own guilt getting the best of you
and projecting that onto me? I have actually been fighting very hard to keep
others from turning initiatives created in our open source volunteer
environment into profit for themselves at the expense of the Occupy
Movement. And I think it is laughable that your business partner has
insisted childishly on tying up the funds by making a check out to me
instead of the finance team as he has been begged to do. Juts to tie up our
money for longer because he knows I want NOTHING to do with money and WON'T
be cashing his check.

I think you'd be surprised to find that I am not against, in theory, the
"national" initiatives you are supporting. I am against, it seems, the
method by which they were implemented. Including you telling people in the
national movement that OccupyRadio Austin needed their help and that it
would eventually be turned into Occupy Radio FM and THEN telling us in the
Austin the two have never been related in any way whatsoever.

And finally...I would love to interview you. Peter has said he is protected
by his corporation and I should send the questions to his attorney (which I
will when he tells me who that is), Jonathan Cronin refused to answer any of
the questions put forward to him as well, but did provide a short statement.
You are last on the list. I have to finish interviewing all of the other
sources so I have the information I need to ask you informed questions. What
a a journalist!

In all honesty, this is taking up way too much energy and forcing me to deal
with all of this negativity and division your lack of transparency has
caused. I would rather just put this behind me. But because Peter has
decided to jump straight into a frivolous lawsuits, I am forced to continue
with my work so that I can protect myself from his baseless claims. So if I
am going to get sued I might as well have an article to show for all of the
work I have done in researching BEFORE I said anything in public about what
was going on.

The movement IS about Austin, it IS about me and it IS about YOU. It is
about the people. It is NOT about making money. Which is what drew you away
from the PEOPLE of Occupy Austin, right?. Isn't that what drove you to keep
secrets from them? Isn't it what drove you to protect yourself by saying
Occupy Radio Austin would soon BECOME Occupy Radio FM and then tell the
local movement that the TWO were never related projects? To protect your
personal profit?

Or was it something else that led you to these actions? Because if it was
something else, something for the betterment of the movement, then my best
hope is that you WOULDN'T quit. But instead that you would work hard. But
that you would do so from this point forward with a spirit of transparency
and accountability. That you would be a man of your word when speaking to
the local movement AND when speaking to the national movement. 

Obviously this is not specific to IT. Or really has nothing to do with IT
except that at the time you were putting this information out there you were
doing it under their name. Perhaps you should contact me in a back channel
and just explain to me what this project is to you. What you have been told
it is meant to be. But at the end of the day...you're right. You don't have
to answer to me. Or to Austin. Or to the people of this movement. You can
choose to keep what you are doing, 

Thanks for taking the time to engage me on this topic. I know it is
frustrating ALL of us. And hopefully soon we can move on in a different
direction with things that are positive for the movement. If you have
questions or concerns or just want to talk to find a way to get this past
us, please contact me direct at mail at brianoverman.com since this is probably
not an IT concern beyond what has already been discussed.

Brian

On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 2:19 AM, Boyd Carter <boydcarter at gmail.com> wrote:

"in support of the Occupy Austin, Occupy Wall Street and other Occupy sites
worldwide." .  I was hoping for gratis services for all occupy projects
regardless of scope, application or who gets credit.  It's an expensive
service from this company and I knew we couldn't pay for it.

This came from a web form I filled out trying to get free services for the
movement worldwide.  I've never had the ability to send emails as
it at occupyaustin.org it's always been a distribution list to me.  It was
listed here so all the IT magnets would be able to see what I was doing with
the replies, after discussing reaching out to this software as a service
company in the open IT meetings.  

"We typically take in-kind donations in lieu of cash donations."  This is
because people who sell stuff online with non-profit discounts still want to
receive payment and still want to see the non-profit IRS number to document
their tax write-off and I didn't want a hold up if they were willing to see
past this and help us by just giving us something for free. Occupyaustin
still doesn't have a IRS non-profit cert.  On the whole this is true
movement wide because it can take a year to file for 501(c)whatever status
and receive it.  

Why are you so preoccupied with enforcing your imaginary local bureaucracy
and getting your hands on money, Brian?

*EVERYTHING IT WORKS ON IS POTENTIALLY NATIONAL IN SCOPE*  All national IT
inter-occ calls I've been on have gone something like this: "Here's what
we're working on. Who else is doing something similar?, and How do we scale
it up internationally to avoid reproducing work?"  Blame the technology, not
us. Stop indicting all IT occupiers worldwide.  You look foolish.

You will not limit my scope for your delusions of grandeur and petty
provincialism, Brian.  I'll work on whatever I want to work on for the
movement, thank you very much.  The reference of my IT magnet status of the
time was for authentication and non-repudiation with back channels via the
occupyaustin.org website where I *was* .. WAIT A MINUTE.. *STILL*???? ARE
YOU EFFING KIDDING ME????..  listed as a magnet *and* where people are
invited to donate via wepay. 

Has anyone had a chat with you about logging into and publishing
emails/accounts that aren't in your name yet?  That legal account has
client/attorney privileged emails, btw.  Good luck with that.  You aren't
building any trust in the nerd community here. Brian, Anton and Cesar are
also logging into and publishing individually named emails i.e.
jonathan at occupyaustin.org -- I advise anyone with a named occupyaustin.org
account to reconsider using it if you are worried about your privacy.  Brian
and Anton clearly don't give a crap and are more than happy to punt your
rights with their own warrantless searches.  Bad form, Brian.  Very bad
form.

This movement isn't about me, it isn't about Austin, and it isn't about YOU,
Brian.

WE WON'T QUIT.

I can't believe I'm still wasting time with this crap :/  

Please contact me if you have any questions. (something Brian still hasn't
done.  What a journalist)

Thanks,

Boyd

From: Brian Overman [mailto:mail at brianoverman.com] 
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 11:42 PM
To: occupyaustin-it at foojutsu.org; boydcarter at gmail.com; it at occupyaustin.org
Subject: Which Boyd Carter do we believe?

Boyd Carter on Nov. 27th, 2011:

"Occupy radio has always been an independent project, never part of occupy
austin. "

Boyd Carter on November 4th, 2011:

"Lastly we are also driving the development and expansion of
<http://occupyradioaustin.org/> occupyradioaustin.org (soon to be
<http://occupyradio.fm/> occupyradio.fm)"

In this email soliciting services from a company in the name of Occupy
Austin. Notice donations are also pushed to NOT be made through cash
donations to the website, but through in-kind services:

From: "Boyd Carter" < <mailto:it at occupyaustin.org> it at occupyaustin.org>
Reply-To: "Boyd Carter" < <mailto:it at occupyaustin.org> it at occupyaustin.org>
Date: 4 Nov 2011 05:00:54 -0400
To: " <mailto:prioritysupport at fogcreek.com> prioritysupport at fogcreek.com" <
<mailto:prioritysupport at fogcreek.com> prioritysupport at fogcreek.com>
Subject: FOG: Non-Profit Pricing

>NAME: Boyd Carter
>COMPANY:  <http://occupyaustin.org/> occupyaustin.org
>
>Hi,
>
>We are interested in using FogBugz/Kiln to support ongoing IT efforts in
support of the Occupy Austin, Occupy Wall Street and other Occupy sites
worldwide.
>
>Working with  <http://freenetworkfoundation.org/>
freenetworkfoundation.org, we are the team that prototyped and are iterating
the FreedomTower/Free Wifi systems in place in Austin, New York, LA, San
Antonio and elsewhere.
>
>We also have efforts ongoing in web and handset application development and
communication tools under the @occupyapps moniker.
>
>Lastly we are also driving the development and expansion of
<http://occupyradioaustin.org/> occupyradioaustin.org (soon to be
<http://occupyradio.fm/> occupyradio.fm)
>
>I have used FogBugz/Kiln with success in the past and have suggested it for
our list of possible project mgmt/tracking solutions for use in the group.
>
>Cheap is good.  Free is better.  We typically take in-kind donations in
lieu of cash donations.  I would expect that we would be pretty low volume
carrying 5-10 fairly active users and 15-20 irregular contributors.
>
>We understand that not everyone is open to association with our movement
and no explanation is necessary if this is the case.  However, we would
appreciate any help we could get.
>
>Thanks for your time.  Please feel free to call at any time if you have any
questions or would like to discuss details.
>
>Boyd Carter
>Technology Magnet
> <mailto:it at occupyaustin.org> it at occupyaustin.org
> <tel:682.429.4233> 682.429.4233

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