[codergeeks] Assange on the Cypherpunks mailing list
gfoster at entersection.org
Sun Dec 12 14:27:13 CST 2010
Thank you for the guidance Craig, and the heads up. Young asserted the
connection, and you can read the fulltext of his response at the very
end of this document (assuming this document is legitimate and not a
He apparently radically, and unexpectedly shifted course in his
relationship with Wikileaks. It looks to me like he just got cold feet.
That leaves the question mark for me as to the legitimacy of the mailing
list archive. Young would have incentive to fabricate or place a
fabricated document. This would seem to indicate the list exists:
Anyone have a login? :)
Reading more. Would be interesting if this post were true, but several
weird things about the header indicate it might be graffiti or worse
("Wikileaks" does regularly post to the list; not sure if this is
consistent in style/tone or grammar):
To: John Young <jya[a t]pipeline.com>
From: Wikileaks <wikileaks[a t]wikileaks.org>
Subject: martha stuart pgp
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 12:20:25 -0500
-----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE-----
J. We are going to fuck them all. Chinese mostly, but not entirely a
feint. Invention abounds. Lies, twists and distorts everywhere
needed for protection. Hackers monitor chinese and other intel as
they burrow into their targets, when they pull, so do we.
Inxhaustible supply of material. Near 100,000 documents/emails a
day. We're going to crack the world open and let it flower into
something new. If fleecing the CIA will assist us, then fleece we
will. We have pullbacks from NED, CFR, Freedomhouse and other CIA
teats. We have all of pre 2005 afghanistan. Almost all of india fed.
Half a dozen foreign ministries. Dozens of political parties and
consulates, worldbank, apec, UN sections, trade groups, tibet and
fulan dafa associations and... russian phishing mafia who pull data
everywhere. We're drowing. We don't even know a tenth of what we
have or who it belongs to. We stopped storing it at 1Tb.
That listed as the first post in the next two days of personally
identifiable information containing 2nd archive:
P.S.: Please Universe don't let me be the agent of misinformation.
On 12/12/10 1:46 PM, Craig Whisenhunt wrote:
> I watched the three part (on youtube) interview with John Young by
> Alex Jones (red flag, IMO). Alex Jones never met a conspiracy theory
> he didn't fully embrace which means he is not very discriminating. The
> Boy Who Cried Wolf.
> Anyway, listening to John Young didn't give me a good feeling. He
> sounded a bit bitter and his use of conspiracy terminology gave me
> pause. Sounded like to me that Alex and Young were feeding off each
> other. Young sounds like an experienced social engineer to me and, of
> course, Alex eats up anything conspiracy.
> So, maybe someone on this list knows Young better than me but I don't
> trust him. I do know Alex, however, and he disabled his critical
> thinking mechanism long ago in favor of all things conspiracy.
> On the subject of Young's assertion that Wikileaks was selling leaked
> information in exchange for money may be an obfuscation. For example,
> he said that wikileaks goal was to raise $5 million but he did not
> specifically say that the money was to be raised through quid pro quo
> for leaked info. In other words, there are many ways they could raise
> money without actually selling the leaked info. I paid close attention
> and did not hear him say it was money in exchange for leaked info. You
> can raise money just by finding people who want to support your cause
> with donations.
> I have not read the links that Gregory sent. Do they contain specific
> language saying that they were going to sell information in exchange
> for money?
> On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 1:23 PM, Gregory Foster
> <gfoster at entersection.org <mailto:gfoster at entersection.org>> wrote:
> John Young is the publisher of Cryptome, a website publishing
> secrets since June 1996. He has stepped up to provide a useful
> contrarian viewpoint on the motivations of Assange and the
> Wikileaks project. Young was invited to participate in the
> founding of the organization, going so far as to put his contact
> information on the original domain registration. He stepped away
> after deciding the organization had intent to sell acquired
> information to interested parties. When doing so, he decided to
> publish the redacted contents of a private Wikileaks organizer
> mailing list (December 2006 - January 2007):
> That was followed up with the cleartext of the next two days of
> communications on the list, names and email addresses included:
> On 12/12/10 2:53 AM, Gregory Foster wrote:
>> A film adaptation of Suelette Dreyfus' text was created called
>> "In the Realm of the Hackers" (2002).
>> Dreyfus appears throughout the dramatized documentary, which
>> focuses on the life of the Australian hacker known as "Electron"
>> during the late 80's and early 90's. My understanding is this is
>> the same time period Assange was active in the Australian
>> underground scene; he is formally credited as a Technical
>> Consultant on the film.
>> Here's a source for the film I've confirmed is active & seeded:
>> P.S. - If anyone doubts Assange's hacker pedigree, grok this:
>> On 12/10/10 3:08 AM, Gregory Foster wrote:
>>> I just found a way to retrieve 160 messages Julian Assange
>>> posted to the Cypherpunks mailing list between December 1996 and
>>> August 2002:
>>> I could use some help digging in.
>>> Suelette Dreyfus is the author of the book Assange provided
>>> research for called *Underground: Tales of hacking, madness and
>>> obsession on the electronic frontier*, ISBN10: 1863305955,
>>> (Random House Australia, June 1997). They released the full
>>> text in 2001 and it's available for download here:
> Gregory Foster ||gfoster at entersection.org <mailto:gfoster at entersection.org>
> @gregoryfoster<> http://entersection.com/
Gregory Foster || gfoster at entersection.org
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